Prologue-- A guy scores 43% marks in grads(2009batch). MBA was his dream.His passion reflected from the fact that he took finance in graduation.He joined a premiere coaching institute too.Then came those eligibility criterion, with all the entran…
Prologue-- A guy scores 43% marks in grads(2009batch). MBA was his dream.His passion reflected from the fact that he took finance in graduation.He joined a premiere coaching institute too.Then came those eligibility criterion, with all the entrances demanding over 50% in grads. XAT and MAT were kind enough to allow him to sit in the exam.
He scored somewhat decent percentiles in both the exams...But the cruel irony was that, all the individual colleges in XAT and the good ones in MAT,demanded over 50% again:shocked:
So, when these entrances don't want people below 50%, why do they allow everyone over 33% in grads to sit in the exam????? Isn't this the height of hypocrisy and money-making mentality?
Anyways back to the point. Now that guy being not able to find a single good college here, tried applying for jobs..But then again all those jobs required 50%( apart from call center jobs)..so after wasting 2 years..he is flying to London..to take admission in a not so known university, that too not an MBA, but an Msc. in finance, on the basis of three years of part time work-ex he had while his graduation.
So, what kind of education system we are breeding over here...passing marks is 33%...but there is no scope for the people in 33-50( as per my limited knowledge). Then make 50 as the pass percentage naa?
Where will these people go?? Do they have to work whole life in a call center or as a salesman? Not everyone is Rocket singh!
I request experienced puys of this forum to come up with their valuable suggestions.
p.s-- Mods, kindly allow this thread to run for sometime as ''why poor acads'' thread doesn't serve this purpose as a whole( it has just become a thread where people on the basis of their acads ask how much iim calls can they manage) This thread is for the people who can't sit in CAT.
p.p.s-- This thread is not for venting out your frustrations ( i have done enough of that)...
p.p.s- this thread will act as a repertoire of valuable suggestions for people whom no one wants to take.
p.p.p.s-- story is of my brother.
He scored somewhat decent percentiles in both the exams...But the cruel irony was that, all the individual colleges in XAT and the good ones in MAT,demanded over 50% again:shocked:
So, when these entrances don't want people below 50%, why do they allow everyone over 33% in grads to sit in the exam????? Isn't this the height of hypocrisy and money-making mentality?
Anyways back to the point. Now that guy being not able to find a single good college here, tried applying for jobs..But then again all those jobs required 50%( apart from call center jobs)..so after wasting 2 years..he is flying to London..to take admission in a not so known university, that too not an MBA, but an Msc. in finance, on the basis of three years of part time work-ex he had while his graduation.
So, what kind of education system we are breeding over here...passing marks is 33%...but there is no scope for the people in 33-50( as per my limited knowledge). Then make 50 as the pass percentage naa?
Where will these people go?? Do they have to work whole life in a call center or as a salesman? Not everyone is Rocket singh!
I request experienced puys of this forum to come up with their valuable suggestions.
p.s-- Mods, kindly allow this thread to run for sometime as ''why poor acads'' thread doesn't serve this purpose as a whole( it has just become a thread where people on the basis of their acads ask how much iim calls can they manage) This thread is for the people who can't sit in CAT.
p.p.s-- This thread is not for venting out your frustrations ( i have done enough of that)...
p.p.s- this thread will act as a repertoire of valuable suggestions for people whom no one wants to take.
p.p.p.s-- story is of my brother.
Well I certainly dont want to vent out my anger on system here 
Since he didn't have much option, other alternative I could think of is CA...
I dont have to say CA is one of the most professional and cheapest course available on planet Earth 😛
Eligibility for Chartered Accountant CA India :
ps: with a degree he could skip the foundation part and can directly appear for inter.
Charted Accountant (CA) course is one of the most economical professional course available in India.
The course is open to all. There is no cut - off mark or minimum mark.
Anybody who has passed 10+2 from a recognized institute can register for the course.
However students with a background in mathematics in Class XII will be at an advantage.
Thats the most disappointing fact of Indian Educational system that it concentrates only on "Marks".No one wants a knowledgable person but Everyone want a rat race of Marks .
In such situation he just had option to opt for Professional courses like CA,CS nd other etc.
I will suggest him to go blindly for , ''ACTUARIES SCIENCE''
The course no doubt is equal or more difficult to CA.
But it is worth it. The actuaries after completing 16 Exams get a package that you can expect either from IIM A/B/C/XLRI/FMS or sometimes even more than that.
If you clear even 4 exams , 20,000 in hand.
@ rahul/rahicecream : PM me your bro E Mail ID. I will be glad to send some info regarding Actuaries.
Visit the website : Welcome to the Institute of Actuaries India
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PS : Golden Rule of PG , DO NOT OPEN NEW THREAD FOR SEPARATE QUERIES 
As you know , post here 
http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/personal-career-cat-job-dilemma-queries-a-repository-25009670
As far as i can remember , There was 1 guy who posted in PGDT , he converted XLRI @ 47% grads...
@ rahi : Also , brother be very very realistic regarding the ROI of abroad Schools.
Hey have anybody is in knowledge that if a IIm aspirant candidate have average academic record, but it is more than 50%. Is ther any chance to get a call from IIM or topmost B-School
BANDDY SaysHey have anybody is in knowledge that if a IIm aspirant candidate have average academic record, but it is more than 50%. Is ther any chance to get a call from IIM or topmost B-School
Sir, please refer this thread
http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/personal-career-cat-job-dilemma-queries-a-repository-25009670
or, this one
http://www.pagalguy.com/discussions/why-poor-acads-25021573
@rishabh-- bro, this thread is not for an individual query, my bro has already find some way out..THIS IS FOR PEOPLE WHO CAN'T SIT IN MBA ENTRANCES...how-much-so-ever passion they have in their hearts for MBA..
I just want to say the following is my opinion and can be subjective and some premises may even be wrong, so do correct me if thats the case
Prologue-- A guy scores 43% marks in grads(2009batch). MBA was his dream.His passion reflected from the fact that he took finance in graduation.He joined a premiere coaching institute too.Then came those eligibility criterion, with all the entrances demanding over 50% in grads. XAT and MAT were kind enough to allow him to sit in the exam.
There could be numerous reasons for getting such a low score , bad health , lack of effort , lack of interest , poor quality teaching etc
I for one believe that if one is interested in a course and is willing to work hard for 3-4 years , then 50% is achievable , given the distribution of marks into internal and external
XAT or MAT are exams held by XLRI and Goverment institution and not by all the allied colleges , neither XLRI nor Govt can , go ahead and tell colleges to keep acad cut offs below 50% , nor XLRI has to keep it less than 50% as ; eligibility for a test doesnt mean automatic eligibility for a college , particularly when all of them are autonomus bodies
So, what kind of education system we are breeding over here...passing marks is 33%...but there is no scope for the people in 33-50( as per my limited knowledge). Then make 50 as the pass percentage naa?
I also dont agree with this arguement, let us take an example for a DU course , eligibility for most of the colleges is 85%+ barring hindi and sanskrit , but does that mean anybody below that should be failed , just because they cant make to one of the top universities in India
And why blame the indian education system only , we all are part of the system , many of the students do what their parents ,friends do , rather checking their interest level, aptitude level and what happens is that we have a generation of people doing , what they dont want to , its not only the goverment , the blame has to be on us as well , who are scared to do something different just because society doesnt approve it
Coming back to institutes abroad , none of the top the colleges will take a person with 43% in UG level (as per my limited knowledge) , so why blame the Indian system , when we constitute it , run it , why find education system as the escape goat , we all need to look into the mirror , and ask are we doing something we like ? , if not , why?
Options :
Having said all that , lot of institutes under MAT , XAT , MAHCET take students under 50% graduation , but these are not the top institutes , and but yes person willing to work hard , can make a difference even from non-top institutes in India
TANCET is also one more examination having eligibility less than 50% , TANCET 2011 Eligibility
Part time and Correspondence MBA is also an option and many companies in India only see last degree performance to check their eligiblity so i am sure , one should be able to find a job , if one looks hard enough for it
College for Vocation studies under Delhi University provides UG courses for students having low percentage in 12 class College of Vocational Studies - University of Delhi
I will update this post as and when i find more options :), apologizing if i have hurt anyone's sentiments , it was not intentional
First of all kudos to Rahul. I think its a good initiative. I've graduated from Pune University and I've seen many such guys there who didn't got 50 % in the course. Scoring high marks in my university was a daunting task. The students continuously struggled hard to get good marks. Add to this the rules of Pune University, it was more a question of survival there.
But I don't think the graduation marks can show you the true picture because I had many friends who didn't had 50 % marks in graduation but they were really good in some of the subjects like maths and some were even good in technical subjects.
I think there should be normalization across the universities/boards because that way we can give the benefit to the students. These days cutoffs are increasing exponentially. SRCC recently had cutoff of 100 % for its course (for non-commerce students).
There is an urgent need to revamp the educational system. Hope steps are taken in future in this regard.
There could be numerous reasons for getting such a low score , bad health , lack of effort , lack of interest , poor quality teaching etc
I for one believe that if one is interested in a course and is willing to work hard for 3-4 years , then 50% is achievable , given the distribution of marks into internal and external
And why blame the indian education system only , we all are part of the system , many of the students do what their parents ,friends do , rather checking their interest level, aptitude level and what happens is that we have a generation of people doing , what they dont want to , its not only the goverment , the blame has to be on us as well , who are scared to do something different just because society doesnt approve it
Nah no offence taken buddy. But would you tell someone who lost her dad, who she was very close to, in a freak and unexpected accident, just two days before her grad finals, that 50% is achievable? Especially since she was from University of Mumbai, and in Arts, and so only her percentage for the final exam of the grad year was counted as her graduation performance? This was the experience of one of my very close friends and I know her as a person for whom her dad was everything. It was a miracle she was able to write the exam at all.
What should she do? Break her head on the wall her whole life because she is now permanently shut out from good B-schools, and several other credible professional courses? She wanted to do an MBA too.
I agree with your "we are part of the system" point though.
Write UPSC-arguably the most respectable and the toughest exam in Asia-and crack it like billyoh!
And if you do, professors from IIMs to IIPMs will lick your boot for no reason.
AFAIK, there is no minimum percentage requirement in bachelors degree. You just have to be a graduate from a recognized university.
You just have to be good in GK and any one subject of your choice which should be prescribed by UPSC as well. And not to forget in aptitude which has recently been added to the testing criteria.
I genuinely wish such people (read:friends) all the very best who feel so helpless and desolate and yet have an undying urge to stand apart.
IMO, time to curse the society has long gone 'cause it can never ever change now!
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Nah no offence taken buddy. But would you tell someone who lost her dad, who she was very close to, in a freak and unexpected accident, just two days before her grad finals, that 50% is achievable? Especially since she was from University of Mumbai, and in Arts, and so only her percentage for the final exam of the grad year was counted as her graduation performance? This was the experience of one of my very close friends and I know her as a person for whom her dad was everything. It was a miracle she was able to write the exam at all.
What should she do? Break her head on the wall her whole life because she is now permanently shut out from good B-schools, and several other credible professional courses? She wanted to do an MBA too.
I agree with your "we are part of the system" point though.
Well, I understand such situation can hamper the performance...but it depends upon the mental strength and will power of the person...
I also know a person very closely, who lost his father just 15 days before exams. He, being the only son, had to do all the indian rituals for 13 days and still managed to get 8.33 GPA out of 10, in his MBA second sem exam. And yes, his father was also very close to him. He still misses his father (after 2 months), I regularly see him awake in nights with wet eyes.
Just to compare, in his first sem, he got 8.43 GPA with full preparations.
And you know, why this could happen... because he knew, that whtever happened, is happened...he is "a part of the system" and to survive (and even to change the system), he will have to win over the system first, no matter what. Nobody is bothered about what happened with you during exams/graduation, all they see is the end result. One more thing which encouraged him to perform was that he knew that his father would like to see his son as a winner, not as a victim of the situation.
Fate is always in your hands friends, its all about mindset.
However, one more thing, scoring less marks doesn't mean that the person is less capable. and MBA is not the only certificate for success. Whatever you do, do it with full focus. And believe me, no one can stop you from being a success.
want to write more, but... in next post.
I didn't want to brag here, but yours truely is the person mentioned above in this post. So I know the veracity of situation.
Nah no offence taken buddy. But would you tell someone who lost her dad, who she was very close to, in a freak and unexpected accident, just two days before her grad finals, that 50% is achievable? Especially since she was from University of Mumbai, and in Arts, and so only her percentage for the final exam of the grad year was counted as her graduation performance? This was the experience of one of my very close friends and I know her as a person for whom her dad was everything. It was a miracle she was able to write the exam at all.
What should she do? Break her head on the wall her whole life because she is now permanently shut out from good B-schools, and several other credible professional courses? She wanted to do an MBA too.
I agree with your "we are part of the system" point though.
Thats really unfortunate buddy
I can understand that problems happen , and as u brought up this story , i wanted to share mine
I have had bronchitis problems throughout my life ,so much so that i have trouble breathing sometimes , i remember during 2nd semester of my engineering ,during examinations i was in a bad shape , couldnt breath , let alone study , i kept pushing myself do well , and i got 83% , and came in top 10 in the university across all streams
PS: i had only 10% chance of surviving when i was born , due to liver failures , and since then i have been living on meds throughout my life , getting sick more than often , but it hasn't kept me down , and will continue my fight :)
PPS: System cant be developed for exceptions , we all know that , but yes i agree with you , acads performance past should not cause problems in future , such as doing an MBA , given people know if MBA is what they want , they should get a chance 😃
Reasons can be many for poor acads..
miser universities
poor health
untimely accidents
lack of effort
lower will power
But the most important one is that , not everyone has to be intelligent or even decent in studies, there are many people who inspite of putting in a whole lot of effort can't excel in acads..but they have that aptitude in themselves to make it big...
Anyways its a case of ''Jo beet gayi so baat gayi''
Now, one can't improve his acads..but he can't remain ignorant too about the limited opportunities available to him..This is what we have to do, exploring those opportunities. I believe many pagalguys are here who must be having less than 50% and due to improper guidance may be on the verge of messing up their lives.
Even if one pagal gets benefitted by this thread, it will be an achievement on our part!
So far some good suggestions have come on this thread..looking forward to more of them..
One request to everyone , please don't consider it as my individual query, it is for the larger good...
@abhi sir and ravi sir--hats off to you guys! You people come under the exceptional category.
He scored somewhat decent percentiles in both the exams...But the cruel irony was that, all the individual colleges in XAT and the good ones in MAT,demanded over 50% again:shocked:
What do you mean when you say that the colleges demand 50 % again. Its not an elimination criteria at this stage - right? Just trying to understand...
What you are saying is that the chances are bleak because the in the overall profile -the poor acads will cause a dent ..right?
What do you mean when you say that the colleges demand 50 % again. Its not an elimination criteria at this stage - right? Just trying to understand...
What you are saying is that the chances are bleak because the in the overall profile -the poor acads will cause a dent ..right?
Yes, indeed. Leaving aside XLRI/XIMB, every other good college has 50% as the eligibility criteria to apply.
So it becomes elimination at this stage only.
ask him to do a detailed study of the university which he is slated to join . if it seems to be well established and not another of those sham institutes which lock their doors whenever required, then do ask him to fly to London . in my opinion it would be much better cause the ignominy (as perceived by our generous society) won't ever leave him . be it jobs,colleges or professional courses . and as one of the puys suggested if he has the will and the determination ask him to go all guns blazing for UPSC. that will be the sweetest revenge for him
RAVI_SINGH 01.
And you know, why this could happen... because he knew, that whtever happened, is happened...he is "a part of the system" and to survive (and even to change the system), he will have to win over the system first, no matter what. Nobody is bothered about what happened with you during exams/graduation, all they see is the end result. One more thing which encouraged him to perform was that he knew that his father would like to see his son as a winner, not as a victim of the situation.
Fate is always in your hands friends, its all about mindset.
That person is really Appreciable .
But it's important to remember that five fingers are not same .Everyone can't be that stronge .some are emotionally strong and some are not.Other thing as some one mentioned some people study unlimited still dont score well but some in 2 hour study turn out to be the topper's.
Infact i know a person who passed out of IMT(GZ) with just 65% in graduation and even school acads are not very good ,not very interested in studies but he has zeal to do something in life.
so,its not that less marks shuts all the options in life .Here no one discussed about " enterpreneurship" ..It just you have to take out options available in hell in this world
And you know, why this could happen... because he knew, that whtever happened, is happened...he is "a part of the system" and to survive (and even to change the system), he will have to win over the system first, no matter what. Nobody is bothered about what happened with you during exams/graduation, all they see is the end result. One more thing which encouraged him to perform was that he knew that his father would like to see his son as a winner, not as a victim of the situation.
Fate is always in your hands friends, its all about mindset.
That person is really Appreciable .
But it's important to remember that five fingers are not same .Everyone can't be that stronge .some are emotionally strong and some are not.Other thing as some one mentioned some people study unlimited still dont score well but some in 2 hour study turn out to be the topper's.
Infact i know a person who passed out of IMT(GZ) with just 65% in graduation and even school acads are not very good ,not very interested in studies but he has zeal to do something in life.
so,its not that less marks shuts all the options in life .Here no one discussed about " enterpreneurship" ..It just you have to take out options available in hell in this world
so in the end.........is their any institute in india...which provide.....PG admission to a person who is having less than 50%.....in graduation for MNA/PGDM.??