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    ISB Hyderabad is on AICTE's list of unapproved colleges. Really?
    by Lajwanti D'Souza in ISB Hyderabad, AICTE, One-year MBA on 29 October '12

    The Indian School of Business, Hyderabad is on the list of unapproved colleges again, put out by the All India Council for Technical Education (AICTE) two days ago. It shares the list with 42 other colleges, some having notorious reputations.

    That ISB is on the list is not surprising but that fact that the bi-annual list makes little difference to both the ISB and the AICTE and also the MBA-aspirant community at large, is where the biting wit is.

    The brass tacks are clear. ISB runs a one-year programme and the AICTE does not approve of one-year MBA programmes, hence the name on the list. ISB’s senior director, Admissions and Career Advancement, Mr VK Menon put it simply, “There is nothing more to our name being on the list. It is not as big an issue. We run a one-year programme which the AICTE does not approve of.”

    AICTE Chairman Mr SS Mantha was as direct. “ISB never came to us for approval. We don't agree to one-year programmes.”

    To which answered Mr Menon, “Since AICTE does not approve of the one-year programme, we did not seek approval.”

    The matter should ideally end there but for the fact that as per AICTE rules, those on the ‘unapproved’ list can be debarred from conducting fresh admissions next year. Nothing of that sort will happen for sure, in the case of ISB which is one of the few non-IIM (Indian Institute of Management) b-schools in the country to have stood out.

    But why this stigma towards one-year MBA programmes? “Simple, it is not as per the UGC rules and AICTE follows the guidelines set by the UGC. Since UGC does not permit one-year MBA programmes, we don’t as well,” answered Dr Mantha.

    And why would the UGC not approve of it? An AICTE official who spoke off the record attempted to answer. “Given the fact that there are many who decide to do the MBA soon after graduation, two years makes better sense. Even a two-year programme is not really two years if you count the time spent on internships, holidays, etc. Which is why if a one-year programme is allowed, the actual time spent in tin the programme may be just six to seven or eight months which is really sorry for the kind of fees charged these days.”

    According to AICTE guidelines, 'a b-school offering an MBA course of two years has to provide a minimum of 1,050 to 1,200 hours of classroom teaching; it is half (600 hours) for colleges offering the year-long programme with a minimum of 100 hours spent on project work or an industry-based assignment.'

    But then the one-year programmes run by the XLRI School of Business and Human Resources, Jamshedpur and the Great Lakes Institute of Management, Chennai did get an AICTE stamp. XLRI got the approval after it extended its 12 month-programme to 15 months and Great Lakes got only a ‘certificate’ level approval, and not a full-fledged diploma level approval, from the AICTE for its 12-month course.

    The AICTE official further added that a 15-month programme is allowed since it can guarantee at least 10-12 months of study. AICTE began taking a fancy to the one-year programme and amended the AICTE Act sometime in 2009 to make way for it. Apparently, big industrial houses, many of whom support the bigger b-schools, pushed for this change.

    But does this AICTE stamp really matter? PaGaLGuY had spoken to ISB students on this subject a while ago and they all said that it did not once bother them. “We have the same companies coming on campus for placements like the AICTE-approved colleges and the IIMs and we also have as good faculty teaching us here. Besides, our infrastructure is possibly the best, so why will an AICTE tag make a difference,” was the general response.

    To add to this is the fact that ISB got the Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business (AACSB) accreditation last year, considered a benchmark of high quality internationally among b-schools.

    In India, everything that has a government stamp, for some reason, holds an almost sacrosanct position. Government jobs need the MBA institute to be AICTE approved and education loans come faster for AICTE approved programmes too. Fr E Abraham, director of XLRI says, “We went for the AICTE approval because it would make a difference to our students who want to apply to government companies. The sector is opening up and so we went ahead. Our two-year programme is already AICTE-affiliated.”

    So this really becomes a case of programmes being made for the rules instead of rules being made for the programmes.

    “Rules are not made for nothing at all. With so many third-grade MBA institutes in every corner of the country, some semblance of rules makes sense especially for those seeking admission in two-tier schools. You are only talking about the schools that are doing well, look at the majority of them lower in the order. If you see what they have to offer, it's shocking and over that they charge huge fees,” asserted the AICTE official.

    PaGaLGuY also spoke to a faculty member of one of the institutes who was instrumental in getting approval to a one-year programme. “Sometimes, you have to make minor adjustments. Either be prepared to get a certificate-level stamp for a 12-month course or extend the 12 months to 15. If the school has the infrastructure and the logistics to accommodate these changes, then what is the harm in going to the AICTE. The Indian mentality that a government stamp is a good sign exists even today.”

    Said another faculty. "Rules framed by the AICTE are generally for the larger good. They aim for those fly-by-night operators who are in the business only to make some quick cash. In the bargain however, big institutes also fall prey. But AICTE cannot make two sets of rules so till some more amendments are made to the AICTE Act, nothing much will change."

    It is unlikely that there those who seek admission to the top ranking MBA colleges in India bother to check whether they are government-approved or not. Finally, the faculty, infrastructure, pedagogy, exam scores and of course placements are the deciding factors.

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    • passiongirl as long as companies continue to recognize it
      it doesnt matter
      #41 • 30 Oct '12 Like
    • suryanshsisodia @vivaciousmani please forgive me for my ignorance
      #42 • 30 Oct '12 Like 1
    • crabn3bula A wild question...an MBA from any non AICTE affiliated is eligible for Govt jobs or not ???whether his degree is recognized ????If no then wht the use of paying lakh of ruppes to these colleges...(my statement is not abt ISB..but against various colleges which are growing as hell in cities like Bangalore/Pune/NCR)..
      #43 • 30 Oct '12 Like
    • devang20 It clearly shows that in india what matters is govt approval not the quality edu. If u wnt to be 'recognized'
      then follow them. It dsnt mtter how gud quality edu u provide.....
      #44 • 30 Oct '12 Like
    • vivaciousmani @suryanshsisodia are yaar aisa kyun keh rahe ho......i was adding just fun element...and there may be many things, of whom i am not aware of...
      #45 • 30 Oct '12 Like 1
    • devilio23 AICTE is a ****
      #46 • 30 Oct '12 Like
    • Kushwaha why AICTE making hullabaloo over two year MBA program. Does it even make sense that a 12 month program is bagatelle but just extending 3 months they would be able to make a difference.
      #47 • 30 Oct '12 Like
    • 1912 wat b.s is this !! Unbelievable ! ISB is the only MBA college from India which features in World's top ranking MBA program's ! AICTE !! open ur eyes !!!
      #48 • 31 Oct '12 Like
    • anujbudhiraja I believe AICTE needs to relax the norms a bit, as people started taking more interest in 12 or 15 months MBA program-me. People value time and money in taking short courses as corporates needs people to have some experience before coming to join them.

      So AICTE should float new rules and fix this problem.

      Thanks and Regards
      Anuj Budhiraja
      Student , BLP (2012-13)

      School of Inspired Leadership (SOIL)
      #49 • 31 Oct '12 Like 1
    • AshuIncognito Hi Guys,

      I know this is not the right forum to ask, but the issue is very serious. Due to some unavoidable circumstances I had missed my cat exam yesterday. I had send the mail to prometric for consideration. Does anybody knows some case when the exam has been resceduled?
      #50 • 31 Oct '12 Like
    • jay89 I would prefer ISB which does not have an AICTE tag, instead of some XYZ institute of management which is AICTE approved.

      In the end all that matters is the quality of education and not the tag.
      #51 • 31 Oct '12 Like 1
    • seraphim25 This reminds me of one instance when Geoffrey boycott , for once was at loss of words..

      Geoffrey Boycott during the lunch show : Sachin maybe a great batsman but he has never been on the Lord's honors boards !!!!!

      Harsha Bhogle : So whose loss is it more, Sachin's or the honors board's ??

      #52 • 01 Nov '12 Like 4
    • rks80 @1912
      Correction, ISB is not the only B.School from India ,there are two more B.Schools IIM Ahmedabad and SP Jain.Check http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings-2012 for confirmation.IIM A is ranked 11th ,well ahead of ISB( ranked 20th).Other IIM such as IIM B and IIM C have not so far participated for 1 year global MBA ranking, but I am very confident that they too will beat this so called mother of world Business School ISB in ranking.ISB has really done very good job in India by mesmerizing people by erecting lavish buildings and calling part time faculty members ,who visit India for vacation and leisure.I am not saying that ISB is not a good B.School, it is definitely a good b.School but there are government B.Schools such as IIM A,B,C ,which are producing illustrious business leaders since many years.Claiming that ISB is the best B.School in India and justifying everything that ISB does in the name of brand value and trend setter is not correct and hurts the sentiment of some puys who are part of IIM.
      I wrote this with good intention to make people feel that " all that shines may not be gold".
      #53 • 01 Nov '12 Like
    • sb29 @rks80 Firstly, SP Jain listed there is the Dubai/Singapore institute which is not SPJIMR Mumbai. Secondly, ISB has (and is building) a solid faculty base. Since it is a new institute, most faculty members will be Assistant Professors. Now check out the profiles of APs at ISB and at all the IIMs. You will see the difference . And these are full time faculty. Thirdly, ISB has produced the best research output in India in the last 10 years overshadowing every other institute in India. So, ISB is not just about lavish buildings and definitely not about leisure seeking faculties. It definitely gives a touch competition to the IIMs and even the IIMs realize that.
      #54 • 01 Nov '12 Like
    • sb29 Finally, FT ranking is inherently flawed. I will tell you why IIMA and ISB are ranked as high as they are. One of the components that they use is salary increase in PPP terms. Obviously, the huge disparity in salary levels in MBA vs Non MBA students in India plays a role in increasing the score to a large extent. Also, let me tell you why IIMA is ranked higher than ISB. One of the component of the ranking is how many doctoral students each institute produces and of them how many join one of the top 50 FT ranked universities as asst. professors. Now, ISB has just started its doctoral program. Moreover, many doctoral candidates from IIMA join back IIMA as asst. profs (this is considered a very bad practice in academia). And since IIMA is already ranked in top 50 in FT, the score increases further.
      #55 • 01 Nov '12 Like 2
    • rks80 @sb29
      Your claim is without any substantiation and please site me any proof of your claim what so ever. Well I am a IIM Ahmedabad PGPX admit for this year and may be bit inclined towards IIM A; however when u talk of research conducted by the various management institution in India, IIM Ahmedabad comes out with more than one third management research published in India and that too for many strategic and neglected sectors such as Agriculture , NGO,Poverty reduction and more than that IIM A has been instrumental in guiding government policy.
      Check the link:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXF-IKJFxAs

      Check the faculty profile of IIM A and their scholarly articles published ,the depth and diversity of their work, level of their competency in providing consultancy to different sectors and more than that quantum of vast experience that these faculty members have in teaching not only at IIM A but also as a guest lecturer at top US and European B.School.Harvard has set up IIM A and IIM A teaching methodology is similar to Harvrd. No B.School in India can match the quantum of case study taught in IIM A mba program.Please simply do not go by the faculty association with high profile B.School abroad and check also what they really have done so far in their career.Also note that no body has ever selected ISB over IIM A while choosing between IIM A and ISB and IIM A is definitely the first choice for all senior executive doing really good job and IIMA has limited seats (85), making it one of most difficult B.School in the world to get admit.Look at the profile of admitted student for executive MBA and the kind of role that they are offered post MBA,ranging from GM to CXO.
      ISB is new B.School and is doing well, but it needs to improve its credibility especially among executive who are in managerial position to opt ISB, should re examine whom they are catering presently (to less experienced professional) and who deserve to do 1 year MBA.IIM A has average work ex of 10 years for 1 yr mba, where as ISB has ----.ISB should not be complacent just by erecting luxurious campus and calling firangi teacher to mesmerize we Indian and should do honest bench marking with India's elite B.School,IIM.
      #56 • 02 Nov '12 Like
    • sb29 @rks80 I am a researcher. I don't make unsubstantiated claims. IIMA may be doing a lot of research but unless they can publish the research in top-tier journals, it does not make any contribution to the field of management. You may check this link bit.ly/RxXOZI and also go to UTD Top 100 rankings by research and check the relative positions of ISB and other business schools in India. Secondly, you can't compare IIMA PGPX and ISB PGP because for IIMA PGPX, the average work-ex is 10 years and for ISB it is 5 years. The difference is obvious. Thirdly, I was not talking about visiting faculty. Any institute can get visiting faculty if they pay enough. I was talking about full time faculty. Almost all ISB core faculty members have done their PhDs from top tier universities around the world. Something that is not true for other institutes in India. Finally, I never said IIMA is worse off than ISB or vice versa. Both are great institutes and have their own strengths. But as a manager (and a future CxO) it is not justified for you to demean ISB and deny the fact that what it has achieved in 10 years is much more than what any other institute could have achieved in such a short span of existence.
      #57 • 02 Nov '12 Like 4
    • krishna581 looks like a vicious cycle has been formed between the ISB and AICTE ;-)
      #58 • 02 Nov '12 Like
    • mukundkumar190 http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s480x480/484277_498773266829231_863561965_n.jpg
      #59 • 11 Dec '12 Like 1
    • sagar3010 The article misses the most important in favour of a (or any) regulatory body: they provide a de-facto provision for grievance redressal to protect the interests of a weak, dispersed demographic (students) from the motives of for-profit private educational institutions. Let's face it, the industry wouldn't be booming if it wasn't a wildly profitable one, which ensures that interests of the student are not always first on these universities' collective minds.
      Say what you may about bureaucratic inefficiencies, but the guarantee that the AICTE and the UGC provide to students of ethical behaviour from universities operating under their umbrella is perhaps the most valuable service these bodies perform. Without them, wronged students could only seek succor under the much-broader Consumer Protection Act of 1986, through consumer courts not exactly known for their alacrity.
      #60 • 10 Apr Like
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    • ravin4time AICTE need ISB approval, ISB doesn't need any approval...
      #61 • 10 Apr Like
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